Saturday, 12 March 2011

Cardinal Burke Pontifical Mass in Sydney

A kind source has sent some nice pictures (enjoy that cappa magna!) from the Marrickville Pontifical Mass celebrated by Cardinal Burke, whose visit was sponsored by the Australian Catholic Student's Association, in Sydney today.  And you can find more photos of the event on the Melbourne Latin Mass, Blessed John Henry Newman community site.

The church was apparently packed (over 1000 people), and the ceremony went for about 2.5 hours.


Anonymous said...

I have to say as a Catholic this really baffles me. Why is there is any need for a csrdinal to wear the cappa magna, which really went out decades ago. No cappa magna has been seen in St Peter's worn by any cardinal for decades. Indeed, not even the reigning Pontiff has or wears anything similar.
Just what is the point of bringing a cardinal from Rome to wear it in Sydney? Does it speak of the Gospel? Jesus the Lord, the Son of the Living God, never wore an cappa magna nor any other such apparel. So it's not necessary for anything in the Church. Indeed, you can't celebrate Mass in a cappa magna; you don't hear confessions or baptise in a cappa magna. So what is the point of having it and going in procession, other than just providing an opportunity for pretty pictures?
It may have been far more impressive for it all in the +Pell's cathedral for sure. SO why was it not there? Did Pell refuse? Was he asked?
My point here as you can see is, what is the point of this regalia? It is serious, since a new (yes, new) cardinal chooses to bring it all the way from Rome just to wear in procession.
I think we need to be more concerned about preaching the Gospel, fasting, praying and giving alms than just 'dressing up' these days.
The real point of the power of the Gospel is being missed just for some pretty pictures, fadish dressing up and all that.
And let's face it, this will not bring young people to the Church.
And before you fire back, let me know the know the last time the following cardinals in their cathedrals wore a cappa magna: Paris, London, New York, Berlin, Milan, Edinburgh, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Bangkok - the list is endless and NOT ONE of them has.

Kate said...

On what basis do you claim that this will not bring young people into the Church Jermone? The mass was sponsored by the Catholic Students Association, and was packed!

As were for example all the trad Pontifical maasses during World Youth Day in Sdyney.

Packed with young peple that is.

Just as the traditional masses around the country are have so many young families in attendance, unlike most mainstream masses.

Ah the youth of today - how dare they reject the revolution! Don't they understand that they should hate nice churches like Marrickville, should demand Marty Haugen not Attende Domine et miserere! And above all that they should reject hierarchy and any honour accorded to position in the church and worship the congregation rather than give God honour through beauty in the liturgy? (and yes, I'm being sarcastic).

Jackie Parkes MJ said...

Wonderful post!

Tony said...

And the Cappa Magna, Kate?

What is it if it's not a powerful symbol of the opposite of humility?

Is there something equivalent in the secular world? Only if the country has a king or a queen. Not a king or queen in the sense that Christ lived.

Many times I've read that the TLM takes the focus off the priest in the ego sense. I'm not sure its ever been that convincing, but this Cappa Magna seems to be all about the opposite.

Kate said...

These are symbols of office not the individual Tony. I imagine its actually something of a pain to have to go through all that effort vesting properly and earning how to walk with a train etc!

The humility comes from obedience to the practices handed down to us rather than the invention of our own.

And in terms of the symbols of the kingship of Christ, the point is to make visible to the world what was invisible at those at the time: indeed that is the whole point of the Church's mission: the world gave Our Lord a crown of thorns; Christians replace it with a crown of gold and precious stones!

Tony said...

The 'office' is held by and individual, Kate, and to see that vestment as anything approaching humility requires a monumental disconnect with reality.

Paradoxically, that image of the cappa magna is what the 'Emperor's New Clothes' was all about; people so immersed in what they want to see, that they no longer see reality.

The kingship of Christ turned the 'worlds' notion of kingship on its head. The pomp and ceremony and the rich vestments are very much of this world -- well, the medieval world.

The 'practices' are 'inventions of our own' from a particular era. What they don't do without an unreasonable stretch of the imagination, is evoke the reality of Jesus among us.

In my humble opinion, of course!

Kate said...

The reality it points to is, of course, the absolutes of truth and beauty, reminding us of heaven!

That all must be done with every care for the glory of God.

Far from being a product of a particular period, the use of cappas of various kinds spans several centuries of the Church's history; the current fad for lack of 'pomp' but a few decades (unless one counts the protestants from their rebellion).

But I'm enjoying seeing the bulls charging at the red cape - while still hoping that those bulls may yet remember that they are men, who need symbols and physical aids to remind us of higher realities than those of the flesh alone.

Tony said...

These 'symbols and physical aids', Kate?

These are 'symbols' of earthly wealth and power. These symbols are the very ones Jesus rejected because they were not about his kingdom.

His 'symbols' were washing feet, healing the sick, welcoming the sinner ... all the earthly trappings of a 'loser' not a king in fine robes. His 'symbols' were a challenge to those who associated wealth and power with Divine love.

There is nothing in what Jesus did or said that is evoked by the cappa magna; quite the opposite if anything.

Kate said...

Tony - I think you've hit on the fundamental point of disagreement between the traditional view of catholicism and, for want of a better term, the liberal one.

You focus on selected aspects of Our Lord's life on earth, and that feeds into a preoccupation with social justice now; the traditional views looks forward to heaven and so thus puts this life into perspective.

I'd strongly recommend a read of Revelation (with the aid of a good commentary) and its symbolism.

Anonymous said...

Yes but looking forward to heaven doesn't mean nglecting social poverty now.

Anonymous said...

Ah, the revolution Kate. Yes, that would be the death and resurrection of the Lord,Yes? Indeed the kingship of Christ is service, Love to the point of death. Faith, hope and love and the greatest of these is love.
No cappa magna for the Cure of Ars, St Padre Pio or indeed Blessed M Teresa. When I was in Calcutta I used see M Teresa lifting heavy materials, touching the sick and lonely and comforting those crying, the orphan children.
No cappa magna needed for that.

And young families, youth are not going to Mass to see cappa magnas, as you imply. I hope its to worship the Lord in his sacrifice. Besides how often does +Pell wear the cappa? And never at Mass.

I'm sorry kate, you are way off line here. +Burke now a cardinal (new, very new) loves wearing all these things as do many TLM priests. But the reality is that the Gospel is the core of our faith, the sacraments the very fabric - not the vestments, the lace and incense. They are the icing. And like all icing, it melts easily.

I'm sure the vast majority of cardinals are not racing to measure up for a cappa magna. Indeed the incumbent Dean of the College of Cardinals has never worn one at all. fact.
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Joel said...

To Tony,

Yes, the Cappa Magna is a 'symbol' of greatness and power. A power that has descended through the centuries from and given by Christ to Peter, to the Apostles and now to all Catholic Bishops. The greatness and power belongs to the office, not to Cardinal Burke as a person or of any other individual Bishop. The Cappa, being a symbol of such a Holy and Royal office, should therefore radiate the same qualities of a Bishop.

It is because the Cappa Magna holds such 'symbols' that ,as you said "are the very ones Jesus rejected because they were not about his kingdom.", the Cappa Magna is stripped PUBLICLY during the vesting prayers before Mass. This public stripping shows that the Mass, the highest form of worship is no place for such greatness and power, unlike the secular world (where the Cappa is used) where such symbols are the catalysts to drawing the faithful.

Would you rather listen to a man dressed in ordinary garbs like any other common man? Or one adorned in fine vestments that radiate the dignity, authority, majesty and authority of his office as a Bishop and as a representative of the Holy Roman Church and Our LORD Jesus Christ?

This, my dear anonymous friend, has indeed brought me to the Church. Not the irreverence and lack of dignity shown by many 'liberal' and 'unliturgical' priests. God Bless this Holy Prince of the Church!

Anonymous said...

And when Jesus was in Bethania, in the house of Simon the leper, there came to him a woman having an alabaster box of precious ointment, and poured it on his head as he was at table. And the disciples seeing it, had indignation, saying: To what purpose is this waste? For this might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. And Jesus knowing it, said to them: Why do you trouble this woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For the poor you have always with you: but me you will not have always. - Mt 26:6-11

I believe that the NLM did a quick brief on the purpose of the Cappa Magna awhile back. Indeed its very purpose is to bring to mind the transient glory of the world. Which is why the prelate lays it aside publicly before the saying of the Divine Liturgy. A good moment for catechesis, if you ask me.

For what it's worth, it is very vulgar to bring up the matter of cost for the Liturgy.

Anonymous said...

While trying to explain the rather ornate vestments used by Priests of the Pre-conciliar Sacrifice of Holy Mass, Pope Benedict XVI sites a passage from the "Prodigal Son" in Luke's Gospel as an example:

"But his father ordered his servants, 'Quickly bring the finest robe and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet."

The argument made by Jermone reminds me of those who used the poor as a means to ransack Churches around the world, stripping them of their transcendant beauty which Glorified God. "Strip these Churches and give the money to the poor." For the sake of St. Peter, read Exodus. Read God's own words and directives for the Holy of Holies. Or, read the following:

"Six days before Passover Jesus came to Bethany,
where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.
They gave a dinner for him there, and Martha served,
while Lazarus was one of those reclining at table with him.
Mary took a liter of costly perfumed oil
made from genuine aromatic nard
and anointed the feet of Jesus and dried them with her hair;
the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil.
Then Judas the Iscariot, one of his disciples,
and the one who would betray him, said,
"Why was this oil not sold for three hundred days' wages
and given to the poor?"
He said this not because he cared about the poor
but because he was a thief and held the money bag
and used to steal the contributions.
So Jesus said, "Leave her alone.
Let her keep this for the day of my burial.
You always have the poor with you, but you do not always have me."

The younger generations are longing for the "eye candy", if you will, that is lacking in the watered down liturgy that is the Novus Ordo--a failed experiment invented by man that has stripped millions of their Catholic identity. If a Saint walked into a typical Catholic Parish today he/she would be very saddened at first but also very confused. "But, surely this must be a Protestant Church", the Saint would say. But, the signpost said "Catholic". The Novus Ordo is about "me, me, and me" and as a result has created millions of narcissists who are preoccupied with themselves and their "feelings" as opposed to the the Sacrifice of Holy Mass in the Extraordinary form which was ordained by God, led by the Holy Spirit, thereby producing millions of Saints over a span of many centuries due to the fact that it was about honor and worship due to "God, God and God".

ThePres said...

*awkwardly walks into someone else's conversation*

I would note that washing feet, feeding, etc., are not first and foremost symbolic. Symbolic, certainly, of the mandate: love one another, but Christ most definitely wanted us to do those things very literally.

As far as the Church's liturgy is concerned, it is first of all not something mainly for the world, but rather Christ's faithful, and we are taught that it is the "source and summit" of Christian life. This calls to mind, without doubt, Mt. Thabor where our Lord was transfigured before his select Apostles. In the same way, we see and anticipate Christ in glory, but also understand his presence very really before us. The priest before us is not the man, but Christ himself, who gives us his Flesh and Blood to eat and drink. Thence fed and encouraged by becoming one with him, and seeing him also in glory, we can return to the world to give service to others and the survive Christ's sufferings continued in the world, for the world does not understand Christ in glory, and thereby does not recognize him splendidly dressed in liturgy.

Bill Russell said...

I am all for giving it to the vapid liturgists of the past few decades with their guitars and dancers. But this is romantic nostalgia and not tradition, certainly not what the Holy Father means by the hermeneutic of continuity. This is more like those fellows who as a hobby re-enact historical battles, uniforms and all, though they never fought a real battle themselves and would not pass the physical exam if they tried.

Anonymous said...

Tony et al,

So much ignorance of Scripture your posts show. And because of this prideful way in which you proclaim this false doctrine--or false gospel, in all charity, I am compelled to remind you of a passage in the gospel before Christ was given up to death.

Christ, knowing his death was imminent and that His followers would miss Him. In so thinking, He wanted to show them a bit of His glory so that his followers would have something to hold their attention to His heavenly glory in His seeming absence. On the feast of tabernacles, He rode a donkey in splendor as people put their cloaks on the road so that the donkey would tread on them as Christ rode into Jerusalem, to the temple.

The correlation here is that the good Cardinal in all his splendor draws our attention to his principal role as a prince of the Church, which reminds us of the Kingship of Christ. As he loses his cappa magna in the church, we are reminded of the renting of Christ's garments before he was scourged and crucified, which is what the Mass brings to memory.

In my opinion, the cappa magna is positively and efficaciously symbolic and refreshing.


Kate said...

1. Assorted anonymous commentators - I've let them through this time, but won't in future - please identify yourselves in some way!

2.Jerome - note that the cappa is worn only in procession, not at Mass! And the good Cardinal Pell has indeed worn it on numerous occasions (indeed I rather suspect Cardianl Burke borrowed his rather than brought nhis own!) as a simple search of the net will reveal.

Allan Lopes dos Santos said...

In portuguese (from Brazil):

Allan Lopes dos Santos

Nina said...

Note to the Anonymous posters: if you stand by your comments then reveal your names.

The Church is in crisis, pews are empty, divorces are up , marriages and priestly vocations are dwindling...and youre worried about what a prince of the Church wears into the building??!! As we Americans say: pull your heads *out* of your you-know-whats and get with the program.

At one time, i was like you. I labelled the TLM as pomp for the circus freaks and the schismatics. No longer. We do the Church and her faithful a disservice by bringing the world in and secularizing/debasing the liturgy rather than emphasizing the radical "other worldly" quality of the Mass. Want social justice? Then restore the respectful, traditional Liturgy and watch the world change for the better.

Kate (aka Terra) said...

Nina - You have an interesting perspective to offer, but please don't go there on the demanding names thing!

My posting guidelines do not require names, just identifiers so as to facilitate a sensible discussion. Names in most cases would tell us nothing (and in many cases if it did, I'd rather not know!); their willingess to be named or otherwise totally irrelevant to the debate.

My very strong view is that we should focus on the content of comments and the issues; on what people do and say; not who they are as far as possible and sensible!

Tony said...

@ Nina

The Church is in crisis, pews are empty, divorces are up , marriages and priestly vocations are dwindling...and youre worried ...

Two points. Firstly, it is clear that what he's wearing is important to those who support it, so why wouldn't it be to those who don't?

Secondly, there's no evidence that desertion of the church, particularly in the West, is related to the post-VatII changes in the way we do liturgy. I've often been in exchanges with traditionalists who imply that their way of doing things is 'attracting the young' or is 'a sources of renewal' but such claims have never been supported by any objective measure of numbers or trends because, I suspect, such examination would reveal that it is a non-significant movement (NB in terms of numbers) in the church.

... rather than emphasizing the radical "other worldly" quality of the Mass.

The Cappa Magna and the grand vestments are anything but 'other worldly'. They are very much of the world. Fine garments are, and always have been, a worldly symbol of wealth and power that distinguishes the wealthy and powerful for the poor and marginalised.

While there have been exceptions noted in this string, Jesus ministry was overwhelmingly about identifying with the poor and marginalised not separating himself with the trappings of the wealthy.

Kate said...

Actually Tony, let me leap in before Nina and say that there is a quite a lot of objective evidence of the connection between post Vatican II madness and the collapse of religious orders, church attendance and adherence to orthodox belief and practice.

For the US in particular there are several commissioned studies that show a clear correlation between a traditional style of practice, and measures such as mass attendance. And of course I alluded to this in my recent post on 'invidious comparisons' between two dioceses.

I've posted references to several such studies to many of them on this blog over quite a long period - go back and take a read of my series on the collapse of religious life for example.

Indeed, it is the weight of this evidence that has moved the Church to act on things like the missal...

Fr. Terence Naughtin said...

I believe Our Lord said: Do not worry about what you are to wear. I cannot believe all the spilling of ink on the topic of the cappa magna.  As to quoting what Our Lord might have done or not done or might do: how are you to know?  It was the same Lord Jesus who established His Church with the Sacraments. He did not go into minutae or the detail.  He left that up to the Church. The greatest heresy that abounds today within the Church is the separation of Jesus from it. While the Church is made up of sinners -- and I will be the first to say that the example of clerics would indicate that they hold the greater proportion of sinfulness -- we would do well to recall that the Church is always bigger than those who are in it. 

The cappa magna, along with all the liturgical vestments and clerical dress, invoke deep symbolism. The fact that we have lost understanding of these symbols in the broader Church, particularly in a secular culture such as our own, does not warrant the capitulation to the secular agenda, mentality or climate.  Just so you know: the cappa magna is a symbol of jurisdiction.  The Cardinal, being a prince of the Church from the Apostolic Signatura, holds universal jurisdiction.  I know that the Cardinal personally ordered the cappa magna himself. It does not belong to Cardinal Pell. 

The Church and The Church alone has the authority to speak and act for Jesus Christ. If we have supernatural faith in the Church as established by Christ we will understand this. And despite the howling gales and the howling wolves, we will caress what the Church loves in order that we may love Christ the better. 

Last Saturday in Sydney, the temperature was about 35 degrees celcius. As one of the chief organizers of this liturgical event, who personally attended to the Cardinal over the past week, I had ample opportunity to observe and discern the genteel nature of His Eminence. A comment which I was privy to was made to him at the conclusion of the Mass, about how hot the Cardinal must have been with 8 layers of clothing on him. His response was this: "Well, of course you must remember that we are putting on Christ. "    

Anonymous said...

wow. what a fuss the wearing of Cappa magna by the visiting cardinal has brought and even a new posting by Kate. But I have to say that in the final analysis, the very central fact is the celebration of Mass in the context of what has been argued. The cardinal celebrated a Mass, the central focus of Catholic life.
That he wore his CM in procession shows that he likes to do so for whatever reason.
It looks pretty, stunning, long and elegant. But in the end it is only material, red silk fabric and like all material things, will come to pass. That it is was worn for centuries is no real argument at all. Dominicans and Franciscans habits were created by their founders in the Middle Ages and continued to be worn as that was the custom (no pants and shirts and ties). That is just historical clerical satorial use.
When I stayed once in a mother house of one major religious order some time recently in Rome I was rather amazed that most of the senior religious did NOT wear their habits. I wonder why. Were they ashamed or was it just a case of ease of movement or what? They just did not seem eager to wear their habits.
And I'm sure +Burke does not wear a cappa magna around the streets of Rome (well, not that we know of).

Kate said...

Thank you for these words of wisdom Father! And the correction on the contextual information.

I too find it hard to understand how a few photos can generate quite so many words and attention -visits to this post are getting close to 900, which is something of a record for this blog, particularly in such a short period. And when one considers the several other blogs, rather larger blogs than mine, that this debate is also happening on...!

Still, I think you should see it as an indication that the hard work you and others put into organising the event is much appreciated by many, and are perhaps at least challenging the assumptions of others!

Tony said...

"Well, of course you must remember that we are putting on Christ"

Not sure I could come up with a better distillation of why there is such interest in this.

I suspect it's because people are curious to see how such a symbol of wealth and power and idolization of the past could be seen as 'putting on Christ'.

The irony is Fr Terrence quotes Our Lord as saying 'Do not worry about what you are to wear' and then went on to describe 8 layers of 'worry' on a hot day!

Anonymous said...

I am still at a loss to know why +Burke would bring the cappa all the way to Australia just to wear in procession. Does it make the event more spiritual or what? He is not wearing it at Mass as it is not a liturgical vestment. No one has answered that. He could just as well just processed (as do 99% of cardinals and certainly all those who attend papal ceremonies in ST Peter's do) in his red cassock and surplice and biretta.
Well, it has been a talking point even if it really went out years ago for 99% of cardinals and bishops.
I know Guillford Young and Arthur Fox used to like wearing it. But I don't think +Mannix did.

Kate said...

There is a certain repetitiveness about the comments coming from certain quarters and so I am considering cutting this off - and I will reject any future comments that do not add value. If you just want to froth at the mouth, do so elsewhere! So:

1. If you do not have anything new to say, please refrain from saying it yet again, particularly when the point has already been answered!

2. Please, maintain an appropriate degree of respect for the Cardinal and each other in your comments.

On the substantive points raised by Tony and Jerome:

1. Liturgy does not being when the priest reaches the altar! It encompasses much more than just the Mass proper.

2. Despite the flow of visitors here from catholica (and I'm glad I convinced Mr Coyne of my conviction if not yet the case!) and Cath news, in fact the vast majority of the extra traffic I've received over the last few days seems to have come from sites that celebrate the Church's recovery of her traditions, and draw strength from these kinds of events, not from affronted liberals facing the colapse of their revolution. It is just that they are noisier.

So I do invite the many readers here who enjoy the pictures to pray for the conversion of those who subscribe to the hermaneutic of discontinuity.

Who, as Fr Terrence suggests, see a distinction between Christ and his body the Church; who disdain the idea that vestments and other dimensions of solemnity give honour to God; who reject the idea of obedience to tradition as a virtue.

John said...

Re the Cappa Magna, here is an excerpt from a letter written by Msgr. Patrick Brankin of the Diocese of Tulsa explaining its use. It is disappointing that people like Tony comment on these things without actually understanding the symbolism involved:

"The capa magna does indeed represent the finery of the world, its power and prestige. That is why after his entrance wearing it, the prelate is publicly stripped of this finery and humbled before the congregation. Then, vestment by vestment, the bishop is clothed in the new man of which St. Paul speaks, including the baptismal alb, the dalmatic of charity, the stole of pardon and the chasuble of mercy. When finally clothed in Christ, the prelate makes a second entrance into the church to begin the eucharistic celebration in persona Christi, the visible head of the body, the church.

It was a clear statement that the power and prestige of the world have no place at the altar, but it is expressed in a liturgical ritual or symbol, which, unfortunately, are often lacking in the contemporary rites and thus hard to grasp."

Lyle said...

Tony's comment

"The irony is Fr Terrence quotes Our Lord as saying 'Do not worry about what you are to wear' and then went on to describe 8 layers of 'worry' on a hot day!"

one can only charitably assume comes from a careless reading. Fr Terence relates a comment from a 3rd party expressing concern for Cardinal Burke's comfort, and His Eminence's response indicating he was not worried.

(I was at the front of the Church, close to HE, and had to remove my jacket.)

On any objective assessment, the Church's experiment with minimalism, conforming its dress, architecture, music, language (and even in some cases philosophy) to those of the world, has not been a conspicuous success. I rejoice in the return of the recognition of the importance of beauty as well as truth, though my generation will have gone to its reward before balance is fully restored.

Michael from Inishfallen said...

Mate, spare us the routine about humility.

Where's the humility in a modern mind which is scandalised by the traditions of the Church and demands those traditions change?

Bow your head and pray for God's blessing.

Tony said...

@ Lyle

I'm not sure what the actual quote Fr was referring to, but if I invited you to my place and said 'do not worry about what you are to wear' it is about as counter-intuitive as I could imagine, that you could interpret that as a requirement to wear 8 layers of finery.

On any objective assessment, the Church's experiment with minimalism, conforming its dress, architecture, music, language (and even in some cases philosophy) to those of the world ...

But that's my point, the finery of the mass as depicted was very much of the world, the feudal world where such finery symbolised virtue.

I'm happy for such things to be judged on 'objective assessments'. Overwhelmingly the objective assessment in the West is that participation in the church is in freefall. That's a problem for all of us.

Kate said...

Tony - I this you who continue to miss the point, and at this point I can only assume deliberately, so please no more, we've heard your perspective. Repeatedly.

For the record:

1. Elaborate liturgical vestments and attention to giving glory to God through beauty in liturgy aren't 'feudal' in character, but in fact have their origins, as previous writers have suggested, in both Old Testament worship instructions (such as Leviticus), in assorted theophanies throughout both Testaments, and as I've pointed out in Revelation.

2. I can only assume you are being disingenuous in your comments, since it is perfectly obvious that it is the abandonment of liturgical attention and adoption of minimialism that coincides with the collapse in practice in the Church, and it is those places that are restoring tradition where it is recovering!

3. Lyle has I think already answered the point on Father's comments - the point is that Our Lord left it to his Church to develop appropriate practices and hand them down as part of the ecclesiastical tradition. Let me repeat that point of Father's because I think it bears hearing again: he entrusted it to his Church.